Hello all,
A wee bit of advice needed. I've signed up for a Vipassana course at Christmas time. I've always dabbled in meditation, but the Vipassana course seems the best way to teach myself both technique and discipline.
I've been asked a lot of questions about my health, and have told them that I have occasionally used recreational drugs and have been prescribed anti anxiety pills.
Thing is, I am currently 'coming off' my prescribed drugs after three years of usage. Its only a small dosage, but its not been that easy. And perhaps I left a few recreational drugs off my application. I would say that I am an occasional user, but never have been a addict or been hospitalised. And I'm certainly not thinking of the course as some form of detox - I just want to both give my best and get the best from the course.
With all these questions from the course administrator, and what I've read of some Vipassana experiences, I'm a bit worried. Is it dangerous to do the course after using prescription or recreational drugs - or will it be beneficial to me in the longer term?
Sorry for the questions, but this seemed the best place to ask.
A wee bit of advice needed. I've signed up for a Vipassana course at Christmas time. I've always dabbled in meditation, but the Vipassana course seems the best way to teach myself both technique and discipline.
I've been asked a lot of questions about my health, and have told them that I have occasionally used recreational drugs and have been prescribed anti anxiety pills.
Thing is, I am currently 'coming off' my prescribed drugs after three years of usage. Its only a small dosage, but its not been that easy. And perhaps I left a few recreational drugs off my application. I would say that I am an occasional user, but never have been a addict or been hospitalised. And I'm certainly not thinking of the course as some form of detox - I just want to both give my best and get the best from the course.
With all these questions from the course administrator, and what I've read of some Vipassana experiences, I'm a bit worried. Is it dangerous to do the course after using prescription or recreational drugs - or will it be beneficial to me in the longer term?
Sorry for the questions, but this seemed the best place to ask.
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Re: Vipassana advice
Wed, November 28, 2007 - 4:24 PMHI Mack,
congratulations on your first course. i'm confident you will be successful.
based on what you have stated in this post i don't see anything for you to worry about. this course and the dhamma you receive will be very beneficial for you. naturally the most important thing for you is to stay the entire course and to patiently and persistently practice what you are taught.
enjoy~
may you be happy
may you have freedom
may you find peace
metta,
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Re: Vipassana advice
Thu, November 29, 2007 - 12:51 AMMany thanks David,
I guess a lot of it is prematch nerves, so to speak. I was just a bit worried about possible reactions to my presciptive drugs. The closest I;ve come to anything like this was when I was 15 and went on a religious retreat to an island in Donegal. It involved burnt toast, bare feet, no sleep and endless hail marys. I was too young to appreciate any spiritual benefit which could be gained from it, though to this day I'm unsure if there was any available. -
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Fri, November 30, 2007 - 2:34 AMAnothe query that perhaps someone can help with;
For a beginner, just starting a vipassana course, whats the best way to sit? I realise there
is no 'easy' way as such, but is there a basic position that can be adopted? I'm getting worried about the mechanics of the course, I realise, but I just want to be sure that I have the basics right. I'm not bendy enough to adopt the full lotus position, so that's out the window. And what about cushions or pillows - can these help?
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Re: Vipassana advice
Fri, November 30, 2007 - 8:31 AMabsolutely no question is basic or unnecessary.
the best position for you is one that you can comfortably sit in for an hour without moving. just find what feels comfortable and do that. perhaps later down the line you can experiment with alternate positions. in fact, many people take a chair for the duration of the course.
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Fri, November 30, 2007 - 9:05 PMI sit every day and find "seza" to be the most comfortabe. -
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Fri, November 30, 2007 - 9:15 PMhi Rev,
what is "seza"?
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Fri, November 30, 2007 - 9:19 PMI dont know if I can describe it, knees forword, feet back. Often used in Japanese martial arts. -
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Re: Vipassana advice
Fri, November 30, 2007 - 9:33 PMYes, best way to sit. In my opinion. I usually sit for about an hour a day, takes a minute to get up but its fine -
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Mon, December 3, 2007 - 1:04 AMMany Thanks Rev and Davi,
Will certainly check out Seza. Was also thinking of trying out a little bench? Anyone any experiance with those?
Have been looking at various sites outlining postures - so many of them, so think I'll experiment until I find the one I can sit in for an hour.
Thanks again,
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Re: Vipassana advice
Mon, December 3, 2007 - 3:37 PMmack,
the prematch screening is partially to determine your readiness to leave behind addictions to unnatural substances and to sensual recreations. it is a week and a half of hard, very hard work, and they want to see that you are not doing it as a cure or subsidy for sensual addictions. also, it protects them (the facilitators): they are simply volunteers; one assistant teacher and a number of "old students" who serve the course. no one is prepared to deal with those who have serious psychological problems. as vipassana can bring out deep-seated issues, they want to make sure you're not a psychotic episode waiting to explode, so to speak... i wouldn't worry much about the drugs. we all have sensual addictions - it's the fundamental recognition of vipassana, and of buddhism. drugs are just an illicit form - a proper student of vipassana seeks to rid one's addiction to all cravings and aversions, which are only caused by sensations (natural, circumstantial, or chemical).
as far as posture, i'm tall and skinny, so i find most postures uncomfortable, as i have very little meat and padding to support my lanky bones... the seza sitting position is comfortable to those who regularly sit that way, or are flexible. it's sitting on top of your feet, with your knees in front of you. i find this position most uncomfortable. the bench is essentially the same sitting position, but takes your body's weight off your feet and lower legs, so it's more comfortable. i find it about as comfortable as sitting cross-legged, which is how i ended up sitting the entirety of the course i just finished yesterday. my first course, i tried all the positions and "pain management paraphernalia," this time i made do with a couple cushions and a little folding seat (just a flat base with a stiff lumbar back) and sat cross-legged. it still hurt a lot, and that's the point of the exercise - purposely expose yourself to pleasant and unpleasant sensations, learning to become equanimous with them (meaning, train your mind not to react with craving or aversion). it's really hard work; it will not be comfortable.
your first retreat will be a wonderful experience, nothing like what you likely expect. note that it's especially hard day 2 and day 6, so keep the strong determination to not give up, especially those days.
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Tue, December 4, 2007 - 5:21 AMHi Blis,
Thats great, thank you very much. The screening process makes a lot of sense. I appreciate its going to be a lot of hard work, and am prepared (well I think I am) to put in the effort required. As I say, am anticipating some difficulties, but am extremely determind.
I guess with posture its a matter of experimenting. At present, I can manage sitting cross legged with the aid of cushions; maybe I'll add a seat to that too, see how I get on.
Am glad you enjoyed the retreat, and I hope for a similar experiance.
mack
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