Hi all, I have recently applied for my very first Vipassana meditation retreat in Cuzco, Peru. I have been a Reiki master for the past five years and said so on my applicaiton. I often practice Reiki on myself as my own routine form of meditation. The administrator told me that Reiki interferes with Vipassana and said they were hesitant to process my application because of that. They then said that they'd make me a reservation if I promised NOT to use Reiki at all while I'm there. I agreed to refrain, but found it suprising that the fundamental meditation techniques used in Reiki would conflict so very much with Vipassana that it's completely prohibited. Thoughts?
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Re: Interferes with Reiki?
Thu, August 16, 2007 - 10:05 AMHi Rebecca, a Big hug, warm wishes and lots of love!
My mother has been a reiki master for quite some time now so I am familiar with the practice of reiki but do not practice it myself. Reiki is a wonderful art/science/technique that deals with the flow of energy (please correct me if I am wrong). I assume it is a technique to manifest this enegy.
It is not clear from your post whether you have completed your 10 day vipassana course, so I'll limit my response presuming that you have not. Vipassana is not all about meditation. Meditation (sanskrit: ekagratha) is only a part of the whole process of vipassana. It is very difficult to translate the word 'vipassana' into a single word in english. Roughly it means to observe in the right way. It is actually defined as vipassana bhavana, where bhavana means a continuous state of the human mind and body.
Vipassana is something to be cultivated within yourself. It does not matter how many courses you do, hours you meditate or years you practice the teachings! Sidhartha gautama, whom all of us call Budha was smart man! let me tell you why....
The development of the bhavana of vipassana has three parts to it (not 3 steps). They are sheela (right virtue) samadhi (right concentration) and pragya (right wisdom). When all three are developed to their limits you are enlightened(you become a budha!). Meditation is somewhat related to concentration here. Virtue and wisdom are hard to be taught/ noticed and understood so ignorant people end up believing/ thinking that vipassana is a meditation technique!
You may be wondering why sidhartha gautama was so smart then? That is because he taught his pupils a way to inculcate in them the other two qualities also, namely virtue and wisdom!
To cultivate vipassana bhavana is to observe reality as it is. Reality as you will observe is what happens without your interference. Whenever we interfere or provide a stimulus we are not actually observing reality as it is!
Sheela (virtue) is one of the qualities to be developed in order to develop vipassana bhavana. And it is common sense that you cannot be a virtuous person if you are a liar! but have you wondered why? It is like an unproven law of this world! but would you need proof to know that your mother loves you? confused?
Let me put it this way. All that you think and feel are manifested as sensations in your physical body. Some people feel hot when they nervous, some feel cold when they are afraid and some feel *** when they are *** . In the same way there are other sensations in the body which we do not know about because they are very subtle. Some of these get manifested into actions (good or bad) How about training your self to observe these sensations, to observe them as they arise and watch them slowly fade away (all that begins has to end!). Would it not be a wonderful tool to know yourself and stop the development of some of these sensations into bad actions or thoughts? Let me keep it at this.
Now i shall try to answer your question. As mentioned above I do not know much about reiki or other meditation techniques but for sure they all teach you ways to control/ manifest energy/ and other things. On the other hand vipassana bhavana can be cultivated only by not being a participent and observing as if you were looking at yourself ( your body and mind) and the universe. I think this is the reason why the people at the vipassana centre objected to reiki. Question answered?
Now on a personal note: Practicing to cultivate vipassana bhavana the correct way will tell you more about US (you me and the universe). And I hope you will find all your own answers. Do not get bogged down by some stupid person who tells you you can't do this and can't do that! You can always do what you want to do but when you realize that what you are doing is not helping you (maybe harming you) you should stop. So I would suggest that you complete the 10 day course and then decide for yourself! -
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Re: Interferes with Reiki?
Thu, August 16, 2007 - 10:46 AMYes, I understand that Vipassana is about observing things as they are, such as sufferring, as opposed to CHANGING things, MOVING things or DOING something about the way things are. That's why I am attracted to it.
I also understand that fundamentally, this is very different from many Reiki practitioners' desire to alleviate (do something about) sufferring in general.
What I do not understand is why the COMBINATION of the TWO within a person is considered potentially "dangerous" and "harmful" and why previous Reiki masters have caused/had so many negative experiences to the point of having these guidelines be drawn.
Honestly, am questioning whether or not Vipassana is for me, because I know with all my heart that Reiki in its purest essence will never, EVER do damage to anyone. If harm is being created, it is not Reiki. And I want everyone to be safe and healthy.
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Re: Interferes with Reiki?
Tue, August 21, 2007 - 7:04 AMHi Rebecca sorry I could not reply sooner. Yes you are right, I don't think it is dangerous in any way, but I have read about some people reacting intensly to deep meditation.I would suggest you to refrain from mixing them up in the begining. Try practicing to develop vipassana bhavana for some time and then you would be in a better position to judge what it is and how you would like to go about it. As to the people at the centre opposing to reiki, I would say that is because it is not condusive to the development of the beginner in that environment.
Have fun. Love n peace :)
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Re: Interferes with Reiki?
Tue, August 21, 2007 - 7:34 AMRebecca - As someone who practices awareness meditation and who's taken reiki training, I can entirely see why they'd ask a beginner not to practice reiki while learning awareness meditation. And how it could be considered "dangerous" (I'd think they mean in a psychological not a physical sense.) I can't speak for Vipassana but I can share my own perspective on this as someone familiar with both awareness meditation and reiki.
I don't think it's the combination of the two "within" a person that is considered dangerous but the *practice* of reiki while *learning" awareness meditation. They're just practices that are quite different and have different aims - this could lead to a great deal of confusion and even potentially to a psychotic break with reality (this would be the danger). If you've already decided "what is" and are heavily invested in a belief system then you'll have a hard time just observing "what is" and may well become confused.
Actually, reiki practitioners *can* contribute to harm from what I was taught. For instance, I was taught that one should never practice reiki on someone with cancer since *more* life energy and cellular growth *isn't* what they need. Also, if a reiki practitioner isn't clear about their own projections they can obviously become confused about what is coming from someone else and what is their own.
It sounds like you're already experiencing an internal conflict, and a negative reaction against Vipassana and see it in competition with your beliefs about reiki, due to even considering questions of constructive practice. I'd suggest that this illustrates quite clearly the potential for some quite disturbing and unproductive experiences for you if you tried to learn awareness meditation while practicing reiki (the two are very, very different in both form and intent). After all, observing and recognizing our attachments and biases is often part of what occurs during awareness meditation and clearly you're very attached to certain ideas about reiki. So much so that you're reacting quite strongly to the suggestion that reiki and awareness meditation don't go together very well, and as if it's an attack against reiki. I can't know the intent of the person who told you that Vipassana and reiki don't go together, but I can see good reasons for not learning awareness meditation while also practicing reiki that have nothing to do with a prejudice against reiki (and don't preclude practicing reiki once one has learned awareness meditation).
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Re: Interferes with Reiki?
Tue, August 21, 2007 - 10:06 AMwoW~ these are some amazing posts. very helpful in my own understandings.
>>>"What I do not understand is why the COMBINATION of the TWO within a person is considered potentially "dangerous" and "harmful" and why previous Reiki masters have caused/had so many negative experiences to the point of having these guidelines be drawn."
i have been contemplating this for awhile now and have come to these understandings. i feel that you may be correct and reiki in it's "purist essence can't do any damage to anyone". however, vipassana is a very narrow path to great depths and heights and it is quite easy to fall. the simple fact that reiki is at least in it's less pure form, moving energy, makes it very probable that a reiki "practicioner" in a precarious moment of great discovery will attempt to move or manipulate the energy they should be only observing. this action can cause negative results for this person as well as for others.
i assume that this is what makes it prudent for a 10 day vipassana course to avoid this possibility in regards to those who wish to persist with additional 10 day vipassana sittings.
hope this helps and i look forward to continued thoughtsharing on this.
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Re: Interferes with Reiki?
Thu, August 23, 2007 - 5:01 PMVery Helpful and informative posts. Thank you, I am considering all of this.
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Re: Interferes with Reiki?
Mon, August 27, 2007 - 11:49 AMRebeca,
I've personally seen cases who practiced vipassana & reiki go psychotic. So please do not practice reiki at the course. & even after the course, I'd suggest you practice either one of them not both. You can decide which one you want to continue after the course.
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Re: Interferes with Reiki?
Tue, August 28, 2007 - 7:07 PMAloha Rebecca, this is an interesting topic and I am glad you have shared it. Before I share my thoughts, it is worth noting that my personal experience with Reiki is limited to a few treatments by a roomate of mine in college who was practicing for her master certification.
With that said, my own experience of Vipassana over the last almost-three years is that you really have to practice it for yourself to find out the answers to the questions you ask. Only through your own practice - your own *experience* - will you acertain the Truth of your being. Whether that is finding out if Reiki and Vipassana can co-exist, or some other uncertainty in the infinite scope, direct experience is the only knowledge one can really count on. So I encourage you not to worry so much about what anyone else says; Take the course and keep Reiki out of it for those 10 days so that your experience of the technique of Vipassana can speak for itself, and only then will you start to have a (perhaps small) hint of what you're actually dealing with.
An afterthought I have, is that perhaps what you are referring to as Reiki in its "pure" form is actually just another conceptualization of the practice of Metta- a techinique that is completely harmonious and adjacent to that of Vipassana. Find out for yourself!
I wish you all of the insight and peace of mind. :)
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Re: Interferes with Reiki?
Fri, October 12, 2007 - 7:33 AMTwo types of food or medicine, both beneficial in themselves; this does not mean they will be equally or more beneficial when mixed. Perhaps very dangerous when mixed.
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Sat, October 27, 2007 - 10:12 AMso glad this is being discussed. I recently received my Reiki I attunement, and have been wondering what the response might be from the Vipassana center might be when i sign up again. I have gone through 3 full courses and one partial course. I am currently a very sporatic meditator.
certainly my experiences at courses give me my own insight of what might happen if i was practicing reiki on myself during a course. in fact it might be yet another way to escape the pain, the grief that arises that i am supposed to be observing.
by now you have probably figured all this out, and are well and on the way.
hope it all worked out. I would love to see a post about your experience.
cheers,
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Re: Interferes with Reiki?
Mon, October 29, 2007 - 3:39 PMI have decided not to explore Vipassana. Reiki has been such a huge part of my life for so many years that I feel devoted to it and seek that are more inclusive and embracing than the Goenka style of Vipassana seems to be. Thanks for all your ideas.
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Re: Interferes with Reiki?
Sun, November 11, 2007 - 7:06 AMI've practised vipassana for nearly 14 years but never tried Reiki although I have heard about it. If Reiki works then do not let vipassana stand in your way. Vipassana(goenka) is a cult group although scanning sensations works and metta is sweet. Goenka doesn't own the technique he preaches nor does he own compassion of course. He just owns the stupid people who swallow his cult ways. When some group plates a stupa or pegoda in gold then you wonder. Why is there a millionare senior AT at darma bhumi? What makes him superior? Goenka Vipassana is a class system that mirrors hinduism. If you are a poor person in a goenka kitchen then you are made to know it. Dispite this, I have met some wonderful people at that place. I would wish them well and to move on like I have done.
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