i was wondering if anyone has some insight on mixing different buddhist traditions...i've been practicing kadampa tibetan buddhism for 4 years and started doing vipassana for only the last year...i have found a lot of value in the meditative techniques from both traditions...
i don't like the idea of 'shopping around' for buddhist practice...but, i have really enjoyed learning from each tradition....
though sometimes i feel somewhat disconcerted...like i need to just choose one and stop wavering...to quit going after the 'spiritual cocktail' i've created...
any thoughts??
i don't like the idea of 'shopping around' for buddhist practice...but, i have really enjoyed learning from each tradition....
though sometimes i feel somewhat disconcerted...like i need to just choose one and stop wavering...to quit going after the 'spiritual cocktail' i've created...
any thoughts??
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'spiritual cocktail'
Thu, November 4, 2004 - 11:43 PMThere are more opinions on this than perhaps stars in the sky...
For me what matters (ed) the most was comfort zone with 'progress' and feeling 'at one with the universe'...
The yogis even have a story about it in the Shrimad Bhagavatam called the Avadhuta Gita (the hymn/song of the self enlightened one) where Krshna runs into an enlightened being that does not have just one single guru or path (which ends up being his path).
So (for what it is worth) my recommendation it to stick with 'whatever' until feeling one with it and beiing able to see the 'truth' in the words of all sources (thusly transcending words) and then have as much fun as possible while living the teachings you have mastered.
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Fri, November 5, 2004 - 11:43 AMI was recently a bit confused/upset when I found out that in order for me to go to the next 10 day sit which I signed up for, I have to basically promise the administration of the course that I will never practice reiki on a on another person after the course.
The basic explanation I got was that they have had too many reports of people going psychotic after mixing vipassana and reiki.
It kindof sucks because I use reiki on a minimal but regular basis - it's part of my life - and at the same time I feel I really need the 10 day sit.
any thoughts on this?
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Fri, November 5, 2004 - 12:26 PMit's my understanding that one keeps their practices separated until settled into each, completely....if you are solid in each practice there should be no fear of "going psychotic"....unless you're already leaning in that direction....
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psycho reiki
Sat, November 6, 2004 - 12:31 AMI knew a couple of reikis who went tempo bonko after doing me...
Who knows?
Silly requirement, esp if its one's livelihood.
Do it on your own, sit at home...
or in some peaceful setting agreeable to you,
you've done it b4 right?
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Fri, November 5, 2004 - 11:14 PMI've done several different practices - Tibetan, Zen, Vipassana - all of them enhanced each other - and my life. I can understand the mandate for sticking to one practice - but I feel it's really for the monastic - not the lay person. Hats off too all single practice Buddhists - but I've felt that the different practices help - not hinder - each other.
Check out the book One Dharma - I think it's by Joseph Goldstein.
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Sat, November 6, 2004 - 8:50 AMperhaps getting settled in one before the other is a good idea, reiki pulls tremendous energy through a person and vipassana opens one up similarly, thats a tremendous amount of energy thats flowing through a person and then to confront it? I would think to defiantely be careful, or re-scale your application of reiki/vipassana practice. -
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Sat, November 6, 2004 - 11:18 AMnot practicing reiki ever again?
i can understand strictures against practicing during the retreat to spend some really dedicated time focusing on the one practice but to try to control your spiritual practice afterwards?
you have taken a course before right?
they repeat endlessly how universal, how undogmatic their technique is; how they only ask that you do what they request for the duration of the 10 days to 'give a fair trial to the technique' - afterwards you are allowed to do whatever you wish; how you do not need to take them on their word in anything that they say; how experiential knowledge is all that you must accept - anything else is not real knowledge for you.
i would give respect to the warning in that perhaps i would give myself a couple weeks or so (or however long you feel you need) before and after the retreat... but i would point out the above tenants of their faith to them.
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Sat, November 6, 2004 - 2:06 PMIan: yeah I agree with not practicing during the 10 days or soon after, but aftwards I feel like they are trying to control my spiritual practice afterwards and I don't like that.
yeah i've taken a course before.
I had a great deal of success with it before as well. I was mad skeptical from the beginning, but lost most of that when Goenka was saying something like "if there's any part of vipassana that you don't agree with that would stop you from practicing, to take that part out in order to keep practicing" - so basically i'm assuming this applies to the reiki thing as well and other little things I didn't fully believe in during the course.
Overall tho, I believe in most of the teachings I learned during it...odviously enough to be going back for round 2.
thanx for your responsese all.
namaste.
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Tue, December 28, 2004 - 12:15 PMMy personal take on this:
This is an interesting thread. Obviously, everyone's experience is different, and ultimately it is your intuition and comfort that will speak to what is serving you.
I will however, say, and I'm sure you know this, but it should be mentioned that the practice is just that. At some point you'll have to release your attachment even to the practice that you feel is serving you. Especially those sensitive spirits among you that have opened yourself up so greatly and are combining practices. The ultimate practice is eventual non-practice. When the singer becomes the song. Don't be surprised if you get there faster than you ever thought. (See second tier "integrated" consciousness in the model of Spiral Dynamics.) If you attempt to carry attachment to your practice or beliefs into that zone, it will hold you back, and your body and life circumstances will have to force you out of it, you could find that the practice actually hurts you or simply doesn't "work".
As far as reiki goes, and other potent combinations, you can and eventually will "break". It's not the worst thing that can happen, but it can certainly be terrifying, although ultimately liberating. If that does happen, know that you are not alone, others have made it through and there are more and more around these days. But if you need or would like to keep your life in some kind of manageable order, I would make a discipline out of retiring the reiki.
The process of Vipassana is developing your awareness of your spiritual body. This is a very sensitive process. Reiki, and other practices that further spike your spirit energy will confuse your mind while it tries to reconcile the chaos that comes out of what's already happening in your body. This can lead to acute health crisis and yes emotional and mental exhaustion/overload. Often digestive problems, fatigue, food/environmental allergies come about.
If it helps, don't think of Vipassana as "Vipassana" and forget about retreats and Goenka. Just practice each moment being grounded in your center. Awareness is not a mental process. Awareness is a felt sense, full presence. If you've done just one retreat, you have been awakened to the process. Sometimes full-body vipassana is just too much for some people.
There are many benefits to a retreat, but don't become addicted to Vipassana retreats. Make real changes in your everyday life that create a future of peace for you and for those around you. Often the craving for a retreat is based on the fact that you know you will be forced to confront/heal things about your past and present relationships. A retreat can bring those things to the surface, but the real change comes when you humble yourself to apologize, forgive, accept, those people, even if they "started it."
Again, and you know this, the real healing happens in the day to day.
If you still feel like you would like to shatter yourself into a million pieces and put yourself back together as a simpler, content, and wiser person than go for it, we're never given more than we can handle. Just make sure you have a solid support net.
Now: some great combinations. A holistic and integrative, healthy physical, mental, spiritual life should include a well rounded lifestyle. Wether meditation, yoga, herb, or enlightened hedonism are your main gig, make sure you are giving your creative, physical, mental, talents the outlet they need, while ensuring yourself the a) proper nourishment from intimacy, and affection with friends and family. b) Serving your community or environment, I think, are essential to ground you and keep you connected to the web of life. A and B are applied metta. And stop eating crap. Especially sugar and processed foods. If you really want peace, and a sense of enlightenment see what happens when you give those food/drink vices up for a week.
This is my give, based on my own personal experience and the experience of some amazing, and beautiful people around me. Much love and guidance from the divine voice within, trust it.
Good luck
"We all come to the same conclusion"
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Tue, November 1, 2005 - 1:38 PMDude I totally resonate with your post! :)
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Sat, July 21, 2007 - 7:58 AMOnce a Goenka assistant teacher said to me "promise me you won't take any more drugs. Please promise me". This might seem a completely obvious thing to say to student who is an addict and also trying to practice vipassana. But my point is you could say she 'made me promise'. You could say, if what i do after the course is up to me as I am 'my own master' then this is "hypocrisy" to then say what I sholud and shouldn't do. But as is ovbious in this case she was very concerned for my welfair. There was no trying to control me no more than you would try to control a child so they do not burn them selves. However when it comes to trying to stop students from harming them selves by mixing techniques, because the student can see no harm, often there are cries of fowl play.
The best path is not always the easiest.
To take the bits out that you don't like should only be apllied to the belief that is held, not the technique it's self. To take bits out of the technique that you find dificult and replacing them with bits from other techniques you do like is only adverting the unpleasent and chasing the pleasent and can only push the goal further away Find a technique that works, and you benifit from and stick to it. You are sure to progress far further.
The more I practice this technique the more I relise how little I know and the more I listen to those who have gone before me. Even if what I hear is not to my liking I never reject it because if I do how can I use it later? One of the easiest things to give and yet the hardest things to take is advice. And probaly harder still is good advice.
Please forgive for my preaching. I wish only happieness.
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Wed, December 29, 2004 - 1:42 AMhi. i understand what you're talking about an d i struggle with the same thing. I've been practicing Vipassana for about 5 yrs. and i've practiced various other techniques as well. with meditation, i do think it's important, once you've found something that you know works for you, to focus on getting really good at that technique so that you can keep building on your daily practice and go deeper and deeper into peace. much easier said than done though, and i sometimes revert to easier techniques that might produce quicker results at times. for me though, vipassana is by far the most rewarding so it is my goal to devote as much of my attention to it as possible. it takes sacrificing other things too, and those things can't necessarily all be pushed away at once, you know? So it may just take more time for you to feel ready to commit to any particular practice -peace -
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Thu, November 3, 2005 - 5:23 PMi am so happy to be reading these posts, you all seem to be so intelligent, understanding, patient, and such deep thinkers.
After my first vipassana course i came out fully converted and dedicated to vipassana PURELY- after the next week or so as the buzz subsided and i was back in everyday life, everyday thoughts, i became confused about mixing practices as well, i began speaking w/ lots of people about it- people i knew who had been practicing vipassana for 20 years, who sat numerous courses w/ Goenkaji in india, and who were also faithful devotees Sri Neem Karoli Baba (an indian Guru dedicated to love and service) to me it seemed a contradiction, and to some it is. For me the reality is this- we are as much a part of this universe as the stars, as much a part of this earth as the trees and rivers are, we have these same qualities, always changing, seasons shifting with each breath. How then can one thing or truth be the answer for many? find a path and walk, you won't be wrong. We change what is true for one person is not necessarily true for the next, and what is true for one person one minute may not be true the next. Asking is wonderful, ultimately it is our own decision though our ability to listen to ourselves and trust, that is truth.
Also I wanted to agree with robert in that vippassana is a tool, just as mantra's and visualizations are tools. goeka himself says Vippassana is not to have you go sit in silence 2 hours a day for the rest of your life, or to run off and sit in cave for the rest of your life, vippassana is to help us walk through life. to embrace it. to be it. just as one goes to school to study nursing before one becomes a nurse, vippassana is a school, silent meditation is study hall, accepting and embracing life is my end goal though
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Sun, May 13, 2007 - 10:40 AM.
Dear All,
In 12 years of Vipassana practice I haven't met even one practitioner who was harmed by attending more than one Vipassana retreat - and practicing Raiki in daily live at the same time. - And I am really curious if I'll ever meet, or hear, of one.
But in the same time I got to know or heard about 10 persons, who came out of a first 10-day Vipassana course and afterwards had to handle mental imbalancies they didn't before. - I also met some old students who intentionally use the long-courses for other Practices, contrarily again, without difficulties.
However, until now I know of only one old student who suicided successfully. Tough he didn't mix Vipassana with any other practice (of course, as far as I am able to know)
With my personal cycle of acquaintances and Dhamma friends - that doesn't say anything. Other than that those who I know mixing practices haven't done it for their disadvantage.
Therefore my question here:
"DOES ANYONE KNOW OR HAS HEARD OF AN OLD STUDENT EXPERIENCING DIFFICULTIES BY DOING MORE THAN ONE VIPASSANA 10--DAY COURSE - AND PRACTICING RAIKI IN DAILY LIFE - AT THE SAME TIME?
Any answers would be greatly appreciated.
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Wed, May 16, 2007 - 6:33 PMI've seen one.
She was bad, psychotic/mental I don't know the proper words. But she sure was incoherant. She was sent to me by another meditator, as I counsel adiction cases.
I know another who's going for different meditations, reiky, theta etc. He also off & on practices Vipassana & comes over to sit & meditate with me. But nowadays I don't sit with him as I find him obnoxious/wierd or i don't know what to say.
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Tue, August 14, 2007 - 12:43 PMhere is what Goenka has to say about why only a single course is allowed before reiki practitioners should choose one ot the other;
"One meditator wanted to know why there were restrictions on Reiki practitioners taking more than one Vipassana course. Goenkaji explained, “Reiki or similar healing practices do help people and I have nothing against them. But when such practices are mixed with Vipassana there is danger of harming oneself and harming others. All such practices attempt to alter reality by means of calling on some external force or auto-suggestion (e.g., self hypnosis, etc.). This prevents the practitioner from observing the truth as it is. Therefore they are fundamentally at odds with the objective observation of reality that is Vipassana.
“The purpose of Dhamma is to make one strong and independent. When one depends on an external force, he/she gets weakened. It makes one addicted to a pleasant sensation of which he has no awareness, much less equanimity. One makes subtle but strong saªkh±ras (karma) of craving and of moha (ignorance).
“Reiki practitioners can take only one Vipassana course and then have to choose one practice—either Vipassana or Reiki. This restriction is not based on speculative reasoning alone but on actual experience. I had to take this strong step reluctantly because of experience of many cases around the world where mixing Reiki and Vipassana harmed Reiki practitioners to the extent that some of them became mentally imbalanced. Many, many Reiki practitioners started distorting the practice of Vipassana, harming their patients or students, harming themselves and confusing the new students of Vipassana.
“We have a responsibility towards the well-being of Vipassana students who come to courses. Even if only a few are in danger, we have to be careful. Anyway, they have learned Vipassana and we have warned them. Now if they continue to practice both, they are free to do so on their own. But we certainly don’t want to encourage the risk.”"
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Wed, August 15, 2007 - 11:00 AMI have not studied Vipassana yet, but as my other post on this tribe states, I'd like to learn how to meditate in a more structured way, and have sought out Vipassana for this reason. Upon applying for a retreat, the administrators told me they were weary of my applicaiton because of my history with Reiki, and asked me to promise not to practice it at the retreat. They said that I could only attend one retreat because Reiki and Vipassana "conflict" with eachother. I've read all the previous posts.
I really have trouble fathoming that Reiki can cause any type of harm at all. If there is harm involved in the situation, or if the Reiki energy is unwelcome by anyone, usually the Reiki energy naturally stops on its own, whether the practitioner likes it or not. You can't really perform Reiki if it's not invited. It just doesn't work that way.
See my other post in the Reiki tribe:
reiki.tribe.net/thread/e92...e79ce0a60a4
Not to be accusatory, but because I'm certain that the fundamental teachings of most Reiki masters I've learned from state specifically that it's literally impossible for Reiki to cause harm, or to even be present in any harmful situation, I wonder how exactly its presence in Vipassana can even be an issue.
All in all, if the goal is to follow the teachings of the Buddha and understand that there is no separation and all things are simply unique expressions of the same whole, I feel confused by these restricitions (they seem like unconcious ego-expressions, which is fine and dandy,) yet wonder if simply sticking to one practice might keep the mind clearer.
Thoughts?
Namaste.
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Wed, August 15, 2007 - 4:17 PM> In 12 years of Vipassana practice I haven't met even one practitioner who was harmed by attending more than one Vipassana retreat - and practicing Reiki in daily live at the same time. - And I am really curious if I'll ever meet, or hear, of one. <
I want to repeat that again. And with the cases Rajiv mentioned he doesn't take the effort to go into detail whether those cases had difficulties already long before practicing Reiki and Vipassana together. If I had such difficulties - naturally I would try anything I could - and superficial bystanders would commend: he meditated to much, or: he mixed techniques! - but without being able to provide any evidence.
Here's a little bit older thread on e-sangha about mixing metta bhavana with reiki:
www.lioncity.net/buddhism/index.php
And here my take on different perspectives pertinent to mixing Vipassana and energetic healing:
vipassana.awardspace.info/forum...ex.php
vipassana.awardspace.info/forum...ex.php
And especially in this threat I suggest the only reason which is imaginable to me why Goenkaji could be so hard on Reiki practitioners:
vipassana.awardspace.info/forum...ex.php
In the end there is an easy alternative to find out for yourself if Vipassana and Reiki practiced together 'is harming yourself and also others', as Goenkaji exhorts. It is the tradition of Goenkaji's teacher Sayagyi U Ba Khin, which has 2 meditation centers in the states too.
So anytime you could join there and verify for yourself the validity of this allegation. I really recommend taking your first course there, so it wont be weighted with this mere rumor. Nevertheless, I recommend to give Vipassana your whole heard while meditating at IMC too - not that it would harm more than any bull** around and partying - but because you could miss something really valuable.
www.carr.org/~imcusa/
In fact, difficulties with unlucky persons seeking help from Vipassana and only worsening their mental state are encountered at IMC's too. However, these unlucky cases are not used as excuse to ward sincere person off. At IMC's it is for example allowed to leave on any day of a first 10-day course. At Goenka Centers they scare unwilling students by telling this would do them harm!
And please do report how it is to mix vipassana with reiki, I am really interested because I am no reiki practitioner - and I still have to meet that person who has been harmed by mixing Vipassana with reiki. Even Goenkaji teaches in the more serious courses to use mindfulness always - and not to miss any moment. So practically I myself mix Vipassana with everything.. .. and certainly only to my welfare..
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Wed, August 15, 2007 - 8:52 PMthe thing you gotta ask yourself... what possible motive could Goenka have for restricting Rieki practitioners other than due to his stated reason?
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Wed, August 15, 2007 - 9:55 PM<<<<what possible motive could Goenka have for restricting Rieki practitioners other than due to his stated reason?>>>>>
Ok, the first HYPOTHETICAL possibilities that come to mind are:
1. Wanting to attract a more naieve, clean-slated crowd, people that are more impressionable therefore more likely to feel "changed" by the experience thus return and tell their friends about it and therefore create more donation money.
2. There is actually something possibly harmful/unhealthy about this version of Vipassana that he'd like to keep discreet about and Reiki magnifies it.
3. Pure love. Perhaps he knows very little about Reiki and how to deal with a healing crisis, has seen several practitioners express issues, and in order to protect "us" has drawn this boundary.
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Thu, August 16, 2007 - 8:47 AMpretty "HYPOTHETICAL" for sure.
all things considered, it seems most likely that Goenka is speaking the truth and the policy is in fact in place for good reason due to experience with those who persist in both practices.
take the 10 day which is being offered to you Rebecca. and then you can decide from your own experience and understanding. nothing is being witheld or hidden from you. the technique is there and what you choose to do with it is ultimately your own choosing.
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Fri, August 17, 2007 - 10:16 PMEvery time I click on this tribe, the conversations seem to be centered around this Goenka person. I don't get it. OK, so I get that he teaches some form of vipassana meditation, but what I seem to be gathering is that many people think "goenka = vipassana." But that is not the case.... "vipassana" simply means "insight meditation." I practice vipassana with Noah Levine (Dharma Punx, Against the Stream) and Trudy Goodman (insightla.org). It simply means looking within to find the dharma... it doesn't mean (necessarily) going on a 10-day retreat where you make a bunch of promises to anyone or anything besides yourself.
I can't imagine why anyone would consider giving up their life's work, as long as it's "right livelihood"... andI would think that reiki CERTAINLY falls under "right livelihood," yes? To be asked to give it up in order to have a meditation practice seems as strange as asking you to give up getting/giving massages, or anything else that may affect yours or others' energies. We are all energetic beings, indeed.
I'm simply very confused, every time I click on this tribe! I don't understand why a meditation practice requires giving up other mindful practices in one's life. These Goenka retreats sound pretty intense, and not my cuppa tea. It does concern me a bit, though, that people seem to think his name is synonymous with vipassana. -
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Wed, August 22, 2007 - 8:58 AMhi Siobhan!
i can understand your confusion. and you are correct in stating that vipassana is not a 10 day course... nor does Vipassana equal Goenka. though it may be appropriate to say that Goenka does equal Vipassana in the tradition of Sayagyi U Ba Khin.
as far as i know... nobody here is confusing Vipassana with a person. however it might help your understanding to know that S.N. Goenka has been instrumental in sharing Vipassana with well over a million people worldwide. he has succeeded in opening numerous donation based Centers in India and elsewhere in Asia; ten Centers in North America; three Centers in Latin America; seven Centers in Europe; seven Centers in Australia/New Zealand; one Center in the Middle East and one Center in Africa.
for more info check out www.dhamma.org
and for a nice article www.lifepositive.com/spirit/...tion.asp
hope this helps your understandings.
see you on the dancfloor~
weallhugasone,
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Sat, September 8, 2007 - 9:08 AMHi Rebecca,
Please read again Davids post above yours about Goenka's thoughts on mixing reiki. I have become increadibly addicted to subtle sensations whilst meditating all the while telling myself i'm ok, I'm being objective, I'm not reacting. But my mind was realy reacting with, pleasent is good, I like it, I wan't more, let me go deeper, let me find more pleasent. This path turned out to be hell for me. I now am locked in a cycle that I have spent the last two years trying to break. A slave to my own habits. I did not listed to the teacher and I am still paying the price. I am alot stronger and am over the worst but I have to be so carefull with even my my thoughts on a day to day basis. It may serve me well in the long run but I would much rather have taken the easier path and followed the advice of past meditators and teachers. Why take the risk with your self or others.
The stove is never hot until you touch it.
All the best, paul
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Wed, August 29, 2007 - 5:02 AMHi Sarah, I would not mix techniques during a 10 day course at the goenka school. It could be ok to mix outside courses but Im not qualified to say yes or no. It depends on what you mix it with. In a way I consider such things as vipassana to be like a chemical experiment. If we mix the wrong ingredients then there could be an explosion. On the other hand, I think vipassana can be explosive by itself. It is not the miracle for 'everyone' that it is portrayed to be. It is not a science. It is a game of risk. Science and religion are neither perfect but at least with science you can measure results in units and compare those results with the past accurately and objectively without delusion. -
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Mon, September 3, 2007 - 5:36 PMdear Peter,
i am observing that you are reActing to an aversion to Goenka stuff which is causing you to neglect RIght speach.
vipassana is science.
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Sun, November 11, 2007 - 8:15 AMDear Davi
You react every moment of your live so you should not preach to me. Are you are saint? You would say not if an honest vipassana person then you would see the hypocracy of your statement. Right speech toward goenka is a matter of point of view. Your point of view is tarnished by goenka preaching. Forgive my speech people but I will put this person in his place easily. Who are you to say what is right or wrong speech?Your idea of right speech fits your beliefs.? You have no scientific objectivity. Vipassana is not a science. It cannot be measured. It is only faith. That doesn't mean it is bad. It only means it isn't scientific as you claim it to be. Gay people hug men too so don't hug me davi as I might object to bending over to get the soap. :P -
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Sun, November 11, 2007 - 8:25 AMSorry but that last comment was totally uncalled for. Im sorry if I offended anyone. Back to Goenka Vipassana oh saint say nothing against poop :P If you are a successful person who becomes involved in the goenka or gowanka movement then you will have high position in the establishment. Patrick whats his name is a millionair from rich Manly NSW. Then you have your various trademens and other pros and the little people like me come last. We are only labour. It is as simple as that. The class system is real in the goenka centres. Don't take my word for it. I cold be a raving lunatic for all you know. Try it out for yourself. I have seen many people come and go from blackheath.
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Sun, November 11, 2007 - 11:56 AMhehehe... interesting that you can so easily prove my statement in three consecutive posts Peter.
may you find a better way soon so that you might leave this path alone.
metta,
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Mon, June 2, 2008 - 11:35 AMyeah he is a delight and maybe you like little boys? :P Get off your grandstand MF
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Mon, June 2, 2008 - 11:32 AMhehehe What a typical comment from a typical Goenka student to say something like 'prove my statement'. Hypercrite. I can receive false metta from you and millions of other vipassana clowns but they are hollow and their path is beyond critisism...CULT
metta :)
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Mon, June 2, 2008 - 11:49 AMyanks suck dicks. I used to think they were ok while people here cursed them but when they are over here they are assholes and this is more apparent than ever with each experience . Thank god we dont have to cop you tourist yanks out in the country like the poor buggers do in the cities. Your country is a 'hole' full of drug addicts, mad gunmen and prostitutes . So there you go yank. -
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Sat, June 7, 2008 - 9:02 PMLike the English are better than anyone else... Look I'm a second Generation American. My family is originally from Eire... So, please go on about English superiority while I'm sticking my middle finger high in the air in your direction... -
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Re: Mixing practices?
Sat, July 26, 2008 - 2:01 PMWhat is all this sticking fingers in the air all about then? We are lovey dovey vipassana people who have such deep compassion for one another. If it wasn't for England then the US wouldn't even exist gov. Thing about it.
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